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Kind of Blue, an Album by Miles Davis. Each lacquer is merely one cutting from the first master tape mix, all manufactured at the same time. The four variations are offset pairs eg 1D/1H and 1H/1D.With D, G and H, and each letter is found as Side 1 and Side 2. Both the mono and the stereo originals display the same pitch problem, that went un-corrected for decades. So when I read imbeciles claiming Columbia used it into the 1980s because some records sound "better" with it, I get a bit crazy (er). Looking at theYouTube video and write-upon HD tracks and on the sister site: http://www.audiostream.com/content/miles-davis-kind-blue-again. I suspect the mono masters were damaged or very worn, and didn't meet technical standards. The three-track recording produced three distinct channels and nothing you could legitimately call "stereo". Those "pre-mixes" were specifically intended to blend together in the end into a single mono track. If the promos were all pressed at Bridgeport, Conn, one of the East Coast jacket manufacturer Imperial Paper Box Corp, Brooklyn (2) or Modern Album Long Island (3) would have supplied the jackets, no? I'm happy that people you know upgraded but my fear is that many young people will hear their vinyl degrade and then lose interest. I just got the 2LP Classic Records stereo today and have had the blue 50th so I'm anxious to see how this compares. The stereo versions are mixed in a similar fashion with center mixed into both left and right channels. The majority of 1A and 1Bmatrix pairs are found as Side 2 paired with a higher letter on Side 1 (e.g. Columbia/Sony Legacy CL-1355 (88883761031) 180g mono LP, Mixed by: Mark Wilder/Steve Berkowitz (this reissue), Mastered by: Ryan K. Smith at Sterling Sound, Over the past few Record Store Days Sony/Legacy has slowly been rolling out on 180g vinyl much of the Miles Davis catalog, mastered from original analog tapes. The label correction is believed to have taken place around November 1959, on the instruction of Teo Macero (hat tip Enrico!). When I tell them its mono, they just shake there heads in disbelief. cwitt1980 Senior Member Thread Starter. Bummer. Fortuitously, an error was made in the track listing of the Side 2 label. Mono gives it a much more authentic feeling, but as for quality, stereo is what I have always gone too. I can understand why people rave over immense Klangfilm field coil open baffle loudspeakers in a single mono configuration. It was a little nondiscript record store on Lincoln Blvd. Unfortunately for vinyl fans, there were reportedly widespread problems with the vinyl, thanks to poor, noisy pressings. The original recording sessions for Kind of Blue took place at the Columbia 30th Street Studios in Manhattan, nicknamed the Church, in March and April 1959. Privacy Policy. WiththeStereo edition, different principles seem to apply. It is a sort of rattling sound. Not just the . are they all analogue process only? 1A/1AE)with the Side 2 track-list error corrected, so stereo lacquer 1A was used only in later pressings, not in any early stereo pressing run. What you are hearing is the "buzzing" of the reed on the sax. Kind of Blue was recorded in both mono and three track stereo at Columbia's 30th St Studios. Sign up to receive our Wednesday Breakfast Headlines, Miles Davis Kind of Blue (Deluxe) (Music On Vinyl MOVLP-019. affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network, and With 1D (different printer and pressing location?) The two channel mix down will most likely be the source of a Mobile Fidelity stereo reissue coming later in the year as part of that label's Miles Davis stereo vinyl reissue project. No lacquer is a second or third generation copy, or a copy of a copy, or of later manufacture. You can buy this same exact pressing for a very reasonable price just not numbered here: Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue Flippers gonna flip, I get it, but sometimes you can do something about it and maintain the same quality. Unanswered Question Conventional Wisdom does not explaintheasymmetrical pairing is Side 1 and Side2 lacquers. A 1st cutting; B 2nd; C 3rd; D 4th;E 5th; F 6th; Record comes packaged separate from the jacket, in a plain white cardboard sleeve and a Nagaoka-style clear half-moon inner sleeve. Rest assured, what you are hearing is what was recorded. The problem is when people resort to subjective comments based on personal taste, not objective criteria. Anyone who thinks this has never been in a proper recording session and doesn't know any real recording engineers. Mono vs. Promo Cover Fabricator (update April 13, 2020). There is some evidence to indicate that an actual mono tape wasn't made, though I understand that it was customary to run both machines simultaneously during the time that KOB was recorded. All the same parentage. Doesnt mean there arent others higher, just not in my sample. In another development, stereo copies with 1AG and 1AH and mono copies with 1AF and 1AJ have been turning up with aletter T and alpha suffix T,TA, TB and TC found stamped mechanically like the matrix stamp. Why introduce a new lacquer 1AL when 1A is still capable of churning out acceptable quality pressings? All Blues is a series of five scales, each to be played as long as the soloist wishes until he has completed the series. And it makes sense in local marketing expertise: getting promos to their local radio station disk jockeys. Complete 1st Label Reference Set: Stereo(1961-78), Prestige records labels 1951-82+overview, NY yellow/black fireworks label all titles ReferenceSet, Bergenfield black silver fireworks stereo label (1959-71) all titles ReferenceSet, Bergenfield yellow/ black fireworks label all titles ReferenceSet, NY label data table: cover and label text, etchings, for eachtitle, Prestige Research Project: Summary of Findings(preview), Prestige Collectors data collectionworksheet, Collectors Guide To The US Riversidelabel, Disques Vogue The FlintermanCollection, Tips for buying records online,successfully, Chamber of Horrors when records gowrong, US pressing plant stamps and otheridentifiers, LJC record photography and vinyl rippingclass, High Fidelity, Decline of the Decades: PeterQvortrup. It was my understanding that the 2x45rpm MoFi reissue we've been waiting two years for was going to be mono as well? I've got several of the Wilder/Sony Miles Davis mono RSD 180g remasters and I'mveryimpressed with them. BC 25th; BD 26th; BE 27th; BF 28th; BG 29th; BH 30th; Every tape machine in a proper recording studio is calibrated directly before the recording session to make sure it is performing to spec using alignment tapes and an oscilliscope. I saw Arthur's comments about distortion and as I was listening I instantly understood what Arthur was commenting on. During these sessions both a mono and a three-track stereo master were created, using a total of four tape recorders running in synchronisation one prime recorder and one safety backup each for mono and stereo. Since I was just listening to this new reissue from Sony on mono, I thought I would revisit Mikey's writing about it. The Mono Box from 2009 was not cut from pristine LP masters. I've read about Sony releasing great albums, but how do I participate in Record Store Day? Also what comes to trusting the recommendations of people on audio forums, I stopped paying any attention to what critics of any kind music, audio, or otherwise have to say years ago, but the people who write their opinions on audio forums I have equally low faith in. Others' opinions can be useful as reference points but no one should ever take someone else's opinion and blindly make it their own. The 50th Anniversary issue is a pretty blue color! Canadian pressings, from 1954 through 1971, were pressed by Quality Records Ltd. for Columbia Records Of Canada Ltd. No other letters were found. the site simply writes whatever their advertisers tells them to, so just follow the recommendations given by your fellow forum members. I've looked at the website and so far all I've learned is to find a local participating record store. Light VC, but there. But just to make it crystal clearTao has gone on record many times to state he was always futzing with the speed of Miles's tracks to make sure the "groove felt right". A must have! The basic difference with the stereo masters was that after the same type of process, the stereo masters were pumped up a few DB across the board with Volume Compression. 3 Modern Album of Long Island, NY It's probably the best selling jazz album ever, and like Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is likely to remain in print forever. This is true EVEN IF the original artist/people are involved in the later versions. Do you expect much improvement over the Classic Records stereo 45 release from the 90s? The earliestpressing of stereo six eyeis I believe stereo promos (E, K, AC, and AE),some other rare single alpha (1E and 1H) andsome 1AA and 1AC which also have the Side 2 track-listing error most of them do not. Over the years, further cuttings from the original mastering were brought into service. I plan on making a home brew unit soon, $600 to do it right. Yes, Columbia switched to the RIAA curve in the mid-fifties. I have an original copy of "Round Midnight" that I bought in Santa Monice back in the 70's. Two hundred fifty auction copies with good stamper information and photos of both labels were found: 200 mono and 50 stereo, reflecting the slow early uptake of new stereo phonograms in the late 1950s and early 1960s, The reason why Columbia cut so many lacquers used to puzzle me, but I see it now as a very smart system of distribution and quality control, with inexpensive redundancy built in. I've got the Dual Disc, the Mastersound version, and the 1997 cd. Most Columbia pressings have asymmetrical non-sequential pairings, such as 1D/1AC. The four monos I have vary from Poor to VG. Perhaps that is one reason why so many were cut: quality control in distributed pressing through inexpensive redundancy. Another fifteen lacquers contribute to the final tally of all those found. Mostauction copieshave the corrected Side 2 label, but some sellers claim theirs isan original first pressing, simply because it is a Six-Eye label. Only the letters A to L were used, excluding I: A 1st cutting; B 2nd; C 3rd; D 4th; E 5th; F 6th; G 7th; H 8th; J 9th; K 10th; L 11th; AA 12th; AB 13th; AC 14th; AD 15h etc -. The two bonus tracks are of particular interest. See Promo Cover Fabricator new section below). Could someone explain to me the attraction of a reissue of Kind Of Blue in mono that is a modern day fold-down from the 3 track master tape? The tracklisting sequence error went uncorrected on the jacket for a further three decades, though some sellers confuse the label error and the cover error suggest the error on the cover is somehow proof of original provenance. Kind of Blue mono promo jacket codes 2 (NY), 4 and 6 (IN). It's present in all formats. Perhaps defective, or damaged, they were never put in service. I have three different versions. AH 19th; AJ 20th; AK 21st; AL 22nd; BA 23rd; BB 24th; Looking forward to this reissue, like all of Miles' albums I have both Mono and Stereo originals (1C Mono KOB). Metal from 1A and 1B lacquers was still being used some years later, mix and match. Since 1992 there have been a number of issue of the remastered, speed-corrected, Kind of Blue on both vinyl and digital formats, although arguably never a definitive LP rendering until the release of the Music On Vinyl set reviewed here. Mark Wilder let Stereophile editor John Atkinson thread the reel. Green Dolphin Street was recorded just before the Kind of Blue sessions and features the same line up John Coltrane tenor sax, Bill Evans piano, Jimmy Cobb drums and Paul Chambers bass. I bought all the MOFI releases and Love them, the Analogue productionsMiles davis Mono releases and Now I need a good KOB copy. Has anyone compared the Sony's Miles reissues to MoFi's? I dont know if this was the case during the original release, but seeing that sometimes it was intentionally done to get a different result it brings in to question the validity of the subsequent remasters. Most people today use stereo since it sounds wider, more detailed, and a lot more realistic. Unfortunately, the Kind of Blue mono master tape no longer exists. They were distributed to various plants in an arbitrary pairs,at least two laquers per plant, and those plants mixed Side 1 and Side 2 stampers from different laquers. Bonus enjoyment if you have a 5.1 setup. 3D-imaging and the wide, deep soundstage are eyebrow-raising; these Davis mono remaster titles sold me on other mono remasters, and rival (IMHO, to my ears) the Columbia/Legacy 180g six-eye stereo remaster I bought last year. Condition: Used. This coming Record Store Day, November 29th, the label will release on vinyl. No, by the time I got interested in old mono pressings, the price on Piper had gotten too high. Mono and stereo promos were pressed in Bridgeport, and the label fonts were the exact same as would later be used by Pitman. The two stereo tapes were stored safely in a vault for over three decades before anyone thought of taking them out for remastering. Location: Carbondale, IL USA. W.B of New York adds following correction (September 16,2017): To understand how Columbia matrix codes worked in practice, over 1,000 individual Ebay auctions of. Analog Planet - 24 Sep 13 Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" Monophonic Reissue From Sony/Legacy: An Analog. To speculate that Teo/Miles/the band "never bothered to listen or simply didn't notice" is just plain insulting to those involved. When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, I just finished comparing the HD tracks 24/192 wave files with theJapanese SACD and the Legacy vinyl (not the poorly pressed blue vinyl). Surely you've read enough about how it dispensed with chord changes (etc.) Twenty sevenlacquers of Kind of Blue were cut. Some EQ was used as was a bit of limiting. On Blood on the Tracks the speed up was also done intentionally, and Teo Macero was known for his fiddling with the tapes, without him Bitches Brew would have come into being. Though inexplicably they don't list the dates! And sometimes each version has its own equally attractive but different qualities.

. My guess is that at one plant alone, the press operators chose the stamper pair from one lacquer. Is that correct. Instrumental timbers are natural and textures rich. I usually like it when you're reactionary, but this seems kind of pointless. In no special order, a handful of lacquers were selected to press white label promotional copies for distribution to reviewers and disk jockeys mono (red text label) and stereo (black text label), with the text DEMONSTRATION, and NOT FOR SALE on the label. All KoB promos are pre 11/59 (have Side 2 track-list error) with matrix code letter 1D or higher. It got me "in the room" or studio, with the guys, where mono just did not, so I find it kind of (sorry) bizarre that, under almost any circumstance, mono would be the preferred medium where stereo is available. http://www.analogplanet.com/content/miles-davis-kind-blue-monophonic-reissue-sonylegacy-analog-planet-exclusive. Usually this meant speeding up the playback to keep things sounding tighter.he usually did this by wrapping the capstan of the machine with thin splicing tape. A,B and C could have manufactured the lot. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. This was effectively the first identifiable pressing,running up to the August 1959 launchand during thefirst three months of sales. JavaScript is disabled. It was remixed properly. They're very impressive for mono recordings. There may not be much significance the matrix code being an early alpha beyond mono A-B-C. Is earlier betterand closer to the source? I'd stick with the stereo, that's the version everyone raves about. That, and . The reissue's mix down from three tracks to one has been so skillfully and carefully done, even veteran mono KOB listeners might have difficulty guessing the source were that the only criterion. Many sellers omitted mention of matrix codes completely, oridentified only one side, on the assumption the other side would be the same (they are usually not). Have a look. Affiliate programs and Epais comme un vinyl de pressage us. Hence promos are all proven pre 11/59. I'm not sure which transfer, mix and master the mono mix on HDTracks is, but I just ordered myself a copy of the limited edition mono vinyl only a couple days ago. How is this done? None of these letters ever appear at any later date up to modern times. They occur in offset mirrored pairs H/D D/H, D/G and G/D, just one exception a mono promo 1D/1D has been found, so matching plates did sometimes occur, though in every other case, they do not i.e there was a process and reason behind selecting unmatched pairs, not a random or chance selection. It very well may have been erased and the tape re-used. Desktop 2.1 speakerrig: Lenovo IdeaCentre A730 Windows 8.1 PCFoobar 2000 /Spotify PremiumFiiO E17 DACFiiO E09K headphone ampLepai LP-2020A+ amplifierPolk Audio PSW10 subwooferDayton Audio B652 bookshelf speakers. By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies. Since the mono tapes apparently no longer exist, recent monophonic reissues (yes, some people do prefer mono) were created by mixing down the three tracks on the backup stereo master to a single track. We know at least two sets of lacquers were sent to each plant, and possibly the offset was intended to distribute wear within lacquer sets. 1D/1H, 1H/1D, 1D/1G, 1G/1D, no other letters were found. These identifiable early stereo pressingsare pictured below. Stereo promos were produced from four lacquers: E, K, AC and AE. Though lacquers were cut and numbered sequentially at the point of manufacture, for Kind of Blue at least, they were not drawn for use sequentially. CD 37th; CE 38th; CF 39th; CG 40th; CH 41st; CJ 42nd; 2011 Vinyl LP Not Now / NOT2LP145 Kind of . The Sonys don't sound bad by any stretch, I just prefer the MoFi's more relaxed sound. Some of these later re-releases from later generation mothers are better than others.and you may "prefer" the slower speed of the re-mastered "corrected" versions.you may "prefer" the re-mixed (terrible) versions as welljust know that they are not 100% the original intent of the artists involved. I guess I'll buy the MOFI 45RPM version as well, but now fremer got me into the MONO version. I imagine that at source, they had 20 parallel-wired mastering lathes, A 1st cutting; B 2nd; C 3rd; D 4th; E 5th; F 6th; G 7th; H 8th; J 9th; K 10th; L 11th; AA 12th; AB 13th; AC 14th; AD 15h, the Columbia Six-Eye label was in use over five years. I could go on about the sound but I think the real point is that given todays best 24/192 PCM processing/mixing and using original vinyl as a reference for the new mix, great things can be done. During these sessions both a mono and a three-track stereo master were created, using a total of four tape recorders running in synchronisation one prime recorder and one safety backup each for mono and stereo. Kevin Gray: Columbia used PAL and PBL prefixes for side 1 and 2, and A and B suffixes for the Santa Maria, Ca. At their web site? The most frequently occurring matrix code on mono pressings is D, which was also used in manufacturing promos; after that, AC, AE, and AJ. 2: Spirit "Spirit" is a cartridge of the central existence by the development of the vertical axis concentration method. Check out www.recordstoreday.com. The difference between mono and stereo is the number of channels that they send to the speakers. I've had 3 different people reluctantly follow my advice to buy the Ryan K Smith mono mastered KOB pressing and it's now by far their favorite pressing. you can buy a dream or two - see you in the blue! Whilst Columbia pressed records through its own plants, each with its own metal parts plating Division, cover manufacture and print was handed over to specialist print and packaging manufacturers. His work can be heard on albums like The Eagle's Hotel California, Bob Dylan's Highway 61 Revisited, and Joni Mitchell . You have no way of proving whether their opinion is biased or not and your own opinion of them possibly being biased could be claimed to be biased in itself.

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